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Holistic L2-L3 treatment through advanced methodology & technology for a disc bulge, nerve pain & slip disc now available at CSC.  Our award-winning center offers collaborative treatment with advanced methods of NSD Thrapy® will give you lasting relief from L2-L3 pain. If you suffer from a slipped disc (bulging, herniated, protruded, prolapsed & extruded disc), we can help. Let our experts get you back to healthy, active life.

The L2-L3 spinal segment requires a specialized set of skills and methods for complete recovery with lasting effects. Contact one of our centers near you today.

Have You Been Diagnosed with Slip-Disc At L2-L3?

showing side view of the entire lumbar including the L2-L3 segment

Slip-disc at L2-L3 is descriptive of a spinal disc disorder of the upper lumbar spine. TheFacet L2-L3 disc is about 2 inches above the waist. Problems at the L2-L3 segment of the lumbar spine commonly refer to pain in the spine’s mid or lower portions.

Some may even experience pain in the flanks or the inner parts of their thighs. However, if the L2-L3 slip disc is severe enough, it can cause pain anywhere from the waist down to the toes. In this article, we will provide a brief overview of slip-disc in hopes of providing our patients with the needed information. Please feel free to share this page with friends and family members in need.

The lumbar spine consists of 5 spinal bones named lumbar vertebrae. They are labeled L1 to L5, with L1 being the first vertebra of the lumbar spine and L5 being the bottom-most vertebra in the lumbar spine. The slip-disc incidence in the lower lumbar segments such as L3, L4, and L5 is far more common than in the upper portions of the lumbar spine. There are a few theories that explain the higher incidence of slip-disc in the lower lumbar spine.

Why Did You Get A Slip-Disc Or Slipped Disc?

There are several reasons for a slipped disc in the lumbar spine. We have listed these theories for you below:

  • Poor posture: Poor posture is the leading cause of spinal disc damage, including damage to the L2-L3 segment.
  • Increased discal pressure: Prolonged sitting or excessive bending at the waist leads to increased intradiscal pressure. Increased disc pressure is the leading cause of spinal disc degeneration.
  • Improper lifting: Lifting heavy items or lifting while bending at the waist places excessive stresses along spinal joints and spinal discs, leading to tears and even slippage of spinal discs or spinal bones.
  • Neglect of a minor back issue: Neglecting the so-called normal backache is a leading cause of spinal disc issues.
  • Hereditary predisposition: Congenital issues play a critical role in spinal health. Most common congenital problems that cause spinal disc issues in the lumbar (L1-L2, L2-L3, L3-L4, L4-L, or L5-S1) include scoliosis, lumbarization, sacralization, or pelvic unleveling.
  • Lumbarization: The lumbar or low back has five segments. Lumbarization occurs when there are more than five segments. It results when the first segment of the tailbone (sacrum) takes on the lumbar vertebrae’s characteristics.
  • Sacralization: You have sacralization when you have less than five segments in the low back. In sacralization, the last lumbar section takes on characteristics of the tailbone or sacrum.

Now that we have covered the reasons for pain or slipped disc at the L2-L3 segment, let’s look at why the low back is predisposed to injuries or pain:

Why Your Low Back Is Painful Or Easily Hurt?

Nowadays, back pain is a common occurrence. Pain in the low back means that one or more tissues or structures in the lower back are not working correctly. While there are many reasons, poor sitting posture ranks as the number one causative issue. A poor sitting posture places enormous stress on joints, muscles, ligaments, and discs (disk) of your spine. A habitual poor sitting posture is the leading cause of premature degenerative changes and slipped discs. The primary reasons argued as causes are many. In general, the back is predisposed to damage, and pain is related to the spine’s supportive functions. We have listed some of them below:

  1. Load-bearing: The lumbar spine is the most weight-bearing of all spinal segments Mobility: Lower back portions of your spine allow for bending, twisting, and tilting backward.
  2. Center of the body: The low back or the lumbar spine is at the center of your body. It connects the upper body and lower body through the trunk and lumbar spine.
  3. Shearing force: Another argument is that an increased shearing force at the lower segments of the lumbar spine is due to the lordotic curvature.

Therefore, the lower lumbar spinal discs are more prone to injury with the upper body’s weight on these segments.

What Are The Common Spinal Issues In Patients With An L2-L3 Disc Problem?

We have listed the most common conditions reported on MRI films of patients that have L2-L3 spinal disc issues below:

  • Degenerative changes within the spinal disc known as desiccated or degenerated disc
  • A bulging disc (early stage of a slipped disc)
  • Protruded, prolapsed, herniated, or extruded spinal disc (slipped disc)
  • Hypertrophy of Ligamentum flavum, a leading cause of spinal canal stenosis or shrinkage
  • Facet hypertrophy, facet degenerations, or facet arthritis (degenerative and arthritic changes in spinal joints)
  • Facet inflammation (swelling within spinal joints), a leading cause of back pain
  • Canal Stenosis (shrinkage of the canal that houses the spinal cord or the thecal sac)
  • Foraminal Stenosis (narrowing of the openings between two spinal bones), causing nerve impingements or nerve root compression
  • Nerve root compression (when the exiting spinal nerves get compressed from a slipped disc, arthritic or thickening of ligaments that surrounds a joint)

Patients may also see some of the following condition reported on their MRI:

  1. Spondylosis: A combination of generative changes, slipped disc, and arthritis
  2. Spondylolisthesis grades 1-4: These are forward slippage of spinal bones. Grade I (one) is a slight slippage. Complete or severe slippage is a Grade IV (four)
  3. Modic changes: These are vertebral degenerative changes that result from injury or inherited or congenital issues. These changes are reported as Modic I, II, or III

These are the most widely recognized MRI readings if there should arise an occurrence of an L2-L3 disc. Symptoms are dependent on the severity of nerve compressions. However, some individuals present with moderate nerve compression but yet still live pain-free.

Symptoms Of L2-L3 Disc Problem

The primary symptom includes back pain. You may also experience pain, weakness, numbness, tingling, or burning sensations in front of your thigh. The second lumbar nerve originates from the L2-L3 interspace. It controls the upper portions of your low back, thighbone, and the muscles at the thigh’s front. Good examples of muscles controlled by the l2-l3 nerve are the Quadratus lumborum and Iliopsoas muscle.

Both of these muscles are in charge of keeping you in an upright posture. Pain, numbness, tingling, or burning sensations are common when the l2-l3 nerves are compressed, irritated, or damaged. Also, internal organs can malfunction when problems occur at the L2-L3 spinal segment. For example, problems in the upper lumbar spine can result in back pain, leg pain, leg weakness, leg tingling (numbness), constipation, colitis, and diarrhea.

L2-L3 Facet Hypertrophy & Facet Mediated Pain

Facet mediated pain at L2- L3 results from degenerative changes in spinal joints. It is a condition in which the spinal joint is the sole contributor to the aches and pains you feel in your back. Facet hypertrophy, which results from thickening and degenerative changes of spinal joints, is a leading cause of facet mediated pain.

Facet mediated pain is treatable and recoverable without surgery or injections. However, some surgeons may recommend steroidal injections and radiofrequency ablation. Radiofrequency ablation is a minimally invasive spine surgery designed to destroy and kill the pain sensing nerve in your spinal joints. Incidentally, this pain sensing nerve in your spinal joint is called the medial branch nerve.

The medial branch nerve senses pain and controls ligaments and spine stabilizing muscles known as the multifidus muscles. In short, radiofrequency ablation or RFA surgery may lead to damage to your spinal muscles, destabilizing the entire spine. Therefore, we encourage a non-invasive approach to facet mediated pain caused by facet hypertrophy. The best alternative to spinal joint surgical procedures or steroidal injections is a combination of chiropractic and physiotherapy. Learn more about your non-invasive options when you visit a Chiropractic Specialty Center® near you before going through radiofrequency ablation surgery.

What Are the Most Common Spine Conditions Seen in The Lower Back?

Back pain is common. Everyone will develop some degree of back pain in life. Because of its general nature, sufferers often neglect or dismiss mild back pain. However, continued or recurrent backaches or pain can lead to significant health issues. Therefore, take our advice and do not neglect your pain.

Moreover, back pain is the leading cause of disability. The most common site of back pain is the lower back. Daily stresses and poor posture is the leading cause of back discomfort. In addition, the lower back or the lumbar spine is a common site for:

Conservative treatment is your best option for an L2-L3 spinal segment issue. Many who suffer from chronic back pain opt for spine surgery. Spine surgery provides hopes of relieving some of the symptoms. Yes, it can alleviate some of the symptoms, but never all of your pain.

Fact-Finding research published in the Ohio State Workers’ compensation database found spinal fusion (spine surgery) failed to provide lasting relief for 75% of the operated patients. In addition, at 2-years post-surgery (after surgery), some 40% of patients still relied on painkillers to alleviate the pain. So, take our advice and opt for our conservative treatment before you even consider spine surgery.

How Common Is A Slip-Disc At L2-L3 Spinal Motion Segment?

Slip-disc at L2-L3 level is less common than those at L3-L4, L4-L5, and L5-S1, but when it is present, it may have a misleading clinical picture that doesn’t fit into any of the categories. In addition, if the slip-disc at L2/L3 level is very severe, it may also compress the L4, L5, and S1 (first sacral segment or tailbone).

Compression of the L4, L5, and S1 nerve may result in low back pain, buttock pain, thigh pain, leg pain, sensory changes that affect the lower limbs, and weaknesses in the lower leg. However, the presenting symptoms may not follow any of the dermatomal or myotomal distribution patterns. In addition, the deep tendon reflex may be hypersensitive or less reactive, which may be misleading when a healthcare practitioner concludes the differential diagnosis.

The femoral nerve stretch test may be positive when a patient presents with slip-disc at the L2-L3 level. The primary nerve innervation for the femoral nerve comes from L2, L3, and L4. Slip-disc at the L2-L3 level should be able to reproduce the pain, numbness, or tingling sensation at the front and outer side of the thigh or in the inguinal region. Weakness or atrophy of the quadriceps muscles or tibialis anterior may be present too. MRI of the lumbar spine can show the severity of the slip-disc and the segments involved. It can also reveal if there is any compression of the nerve roots.

L2-L3 treatment through NSD Therapy treatmentWhat Should You Do If You Suspect A Slip-Disc?

If you suspect a herniated disc in the lumbar (slipped disc or slip-disc), visit a CSC center today for holistic, non-invasive treatments! Chiropractic Specialty Center® has the best non-surgical & non-invasive clinical teams for accurate diagnosis and holistic treatment of slip-discs.

Our care methods are superior to others, as we targeted every aspect of a spinal disc issue. In short, the procedures you get from us will lead to faster and longer-lasting improvements. In addition, in our center, only the best clinical physiotherapists and expert chiropractors in KL will render care simultaneously through advanced technology that others do not have in Malaysia.

NSD Therapy® is the best and most sophisticated non-surgical treatment for slip-disc. NSD Therapy is the most holistic method of spinal decompression therapy. It incorporates the best clinical practices of physiotherapy, chiropractic, and rehabilitation. Best of all, the care you receive is painless. Please don’t settle for less; our proven therapy methods for the L2-L3 slip-disc or a slipped disc at any other level of the spine are unmatched.

Contact us now for holistic L2-L3 treatment of disc bulge, nerve pain & slip disc through advanced methods of NSD Therapy® for Lasting relief today!

This Post Has 18 Comments

  1. Lo Hon Jin

    I got a slipped at L4-L5. It started about one month ago, now going through treatment at a chiropractic clinic in KK, Sabah. Do you know any clinics that offer NSD Therapy in KK? Please advise. Thank you.

    1. CSC Clinical Team

      Dear Lo Hon Jin,
      We apologize for not writing sooner. Unfortunately, there are no centers in Sabah that offer NSD Therapy®. The closest centers to you are in the Klang Valley.

    2. Priya sadhwani

      I have no constant pain but difficulty walking without support, unable to wear my clothes, unable to comb difficulty getting up from a sitting position. Do you think your treatment can benefit me?

      1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

        Dear Priya,
        Thanks for posting your question. Sound like you have a spine problem that compresses the cord or nerves. Moreover, it may be a long-standing condition that has progressively worsened. The good news is that we can help you. Our spine-specific treatment program should help you. We have treated thousands and helped them. Many had severe pain with horrible complications, including partial and even full paralysis. Our advanced methodology of the non-surgical spine and joint care focuses on fixing and repairing a problem’s root cause. You may benefit from NSD Therapy®. NSD Therapy® is an integrative spine treatment program that combines chiropractic, physiotherapy, rehabilitation, and non-surgical spinal decompression therapy.

        The first thing we need to do is to set you up for a thorough assessment. The goal of the initial assessment is to accurately the source of your aches and pains.

  2. Brad

    I have had strong leg pain in my thighs off and on for many years now. A surgery on my L4-L5 disc fixed a great deal of pain deep in the center of my right thigh. For the last few weeks, the pain in my outer thighs has been unbearable. Can’t get out of bed. Can’t think or focus. So much of my energy is used on dealing with the pain. I see the doctor in a few days. What can I expect in terms of diagnosis and treatment?

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear Brad,
      Thanks for posting a great question. Back pain after surgery is not uncommon. Surgery can alleviate some of the discomforts, but not all entirely. Most experience flare-ups or a reemergence of back pain months or years after having spinal surgery. In your post, you did not mention the type of surgical intervention, what it was far, when it was, or if rods or screws were used (hardware)? The first step is to assess your spine thoroughly. The best diagnostic test or procedure is an MRI. It would help if you had an MRI before the surgery. The new MRI can be used to identify the cause of your pain. You can also use it to compare your previous back issue (before surgery) to now. If your surgeon used surgical rods or screws, you might be better with a CT scan. Also, x-rays are helpful. But, x-rays are not as valuable as MRI or CT scans.

      I strongly advise against further surgical intervention. If your doctor recommends another surgery, you should seek a second opinion from a non-surgical center. If you live in the Klang Valley, we will be happy to do it for you. NSD Therapy® is the best non-surgical treatment for acute and chronic back pain. Moreover, it is the most holistic care method for patients who have pain after spine surgery. NSD Therapy® is a combination of targeted chiropractic, rehabilitation, and physiotherapy. If you wish to be assessed by one of our clinical team members, please call our main center at 03 2093 1000. We have seven centers in the Klang Valley, and we can help arrange a consultation for you at a center nearest to you.

      I hope this helped

  3. Swati Misra

    Hi,

    As per the MRI scan, I have an L2-L3 disc bulge, and I have been asked to use the lumbar support belt for daily functions to keep my back straight. I tend to walk slow now, as if I try to walk too fast or get up from the bed too quickly, and I start having sharp pains in the front portion of my right thigh. Also, I cannot bend to pick up things, as it hurts my lower back.

    Can you let me know what other diagnosis or treatment I should be taking to get myself better and heal this?
    I also want to know whether this ever heals completely. Will I be able to go to the gym and lift weights again as
    I did earlier? Or, in the end, is surgery the only solution to this?

    Any advice would be appreciated.

    I appreciate any help you can provide.
    Swati Misra

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear Swati,

      Please accept our sincere apology for not responding to your question earlier. Spinal disc herniations, bulges, and extrusions are treatable without injections or surgery, and the key to complete recovery is holistic treatments that target damaged tissue. The best therapy for patients with slipped discs (bulges, herniation, and extrusions) is NSD Thrapy®. NSD Therapy® is a multi-prong system of non-surgical treatment provided through therapy devices, physiotherapists, and chiropractors. As such, you should avoid chiropractic treatment through the Gonstead technique or DIversifed methods.

      Learn more about chiropractic treatment as well as the dos and don’ts for various spine conditions when you visit us.

      The type of care you get is critical to recovery. Bending, and you should avoid twisting movements or procedures at all costs. Stretching and exercise programs should only start once the function is restored. Physiotherapy (physical therapy) and chiropractic treatments that incorporate exercise, twisting the spine, being, or stretching during the initial stage of care must be avoided. In the initial phase, the aim is to repair the damaged and torn disc through therapy devices such as high-intensity laser therapy, spinal decompression therapy, and shockwave therapy. If you live in Malaysia, please contact our main center at 03 2093 1000 to schedule a detailed assessment of your spine.

      In the meantime, try to ice you back for 15 minutes every 2-3 hours. Make sure to wrap the ice pack and never ice your back for more than 15 minutes. Avoid any form of th3eat therapy as it will cause more swelling in the disc and spinal joiunts. ALso, lumbar belts and supports for short-term use are suitable. But should not be worn all day long as it destabilizes the spine.

  4. Ramakrishna

    Hi Sir,
    As per the MRI scan, my father has an L2-L3 disc bulge. Is it treatable without surgery?

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear Ramakrishna,
      A disc bulge is treatable and reversible when you get treatments that target the root causes. I encourage you and your father to visit our center for a thorough assessment and review. We have treated thousands of slipped disc patients including those with a disc bulge, herniation, and extrusion. Our methods and therapy breakthrough spine technology have helped thousands avoid spine surgery. I am confident we can help, do contact one of our centers to schedule an assessment. Also, please make sure to bring your MRI with you as we need to review them. I hope this helped.

  5. Geetha

    I have been suffering from neck pain related to disc desiccation changes at C2, C3 & C4 levels for the last four years. What are your recommendations?

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear Geetha,
      According to your question, you have desiccations at your neck’s C2, C3, and C4 spinal discs. A desiccated disc is a degenerated disc that is prone to tears and slippage (slipped discs, bulging, and herniations). They are most troublesome when present in the neck. These are treatable and manageable with specialized and personalized treatments with processes of NSD Therapy® protocols.

      The typical physiotherapy or chiropractic treatments will have little to no effect in preventing slippage of discs or worsening of your conditions. At Chiropractic Specialty Center®, we utilize advanced methods of therapy that target damaged discs without injections or surgery. I encourage you to schedule a consultation with one of our top-rated chiropractors in KL. A thorough assessment is needed before therapy. Please contact our main center in Bukit Damansara to learn more about your options and our locations. I have provided some helpful links for you to visit on desiccated discs, degenerated discs, and slipped discs:

      1). What is the best treatment for neck pain?

      2). Degenerated and desiccated discs

      3). Best treatment for a slip-disc in Malaysia

      4). How to recover from a slipped disc without surgery?

      5). What is the best-slipped disc treatment

      6). Difference between a degenerated disc & a desiccated discs

      7) Where can you get the best chiropractor in KL?

      I hope this helped.

  6. April Helleur

    Hi there, I have had bad back pain in the lower right side of the back for about seven years now. In the last six months or so, I have started to get awful pain down the right leg above the knee, and now it’s going down my shin. The doctors don’t seem to know what it is. I have had MRI, but I am on all sorts of pills that don’t do much. It’s very painful and aches so much.

    Please tell me what it might be so I can go back to my doctor and try to get the ball rolling to stop this pain.

    Thanks very much for your help. I am from New Zealand.

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear April,

      Please forgive us for the late reply. Your comment mentioned that you had an MRI but did not elaborate on its finding. I suspect a pinched nerve to be the culprit. In most instances, these can be seen on the MRIs. However, in some cases, it may not show.

      Nonetheless, the symptoms you describe are consistent with nerve impingement. The impingement may be at the spinal level or in the buttocks. It should be relatively straightforward. I would not recommend taking pain killer for an extended time. It would be best if you had conservative treatment that repairs the root causes.

      I suspect the root cause to be related to a spinal disc issue or spinal joints. Some common conditions that cause the symptoms you mentioned include bulging discs, herniated discs, or extruded spinal discs, all of which are treatable and recoverable without surgery.

      The best treatment for you is a combination of chiropractic with physiotherapy. The combined approach offers better results with lasting relief. I hope this helped. Please send us your MRI report for a quick analysis if you wish. You may WhatsApp or call us at +(60)3 2093 1000.

  7. Marie

    Hi, I had an MRI and was told I had a disc bulge and some arthritis. They told me to get an injection, but I want to try chiro, and I have a terrible time standing up. I slipped and fell into a pothole. What is a disc bulge, and can it be fixed? THANK YOU.

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear Marie,
      Thanks for posting your question. A disc bulge often results from poor posture, prolonged sitting, or an injury. In a healthy spine, the discs are hydrated and do not bulge. When a disc becomes dehydrated, it loses water and shrinks. Spinal disc dehydration leads to weaker spinal discs. Once weakened, the supportive fibers of the disc can buckle, bulging towards nerves and the spinal cord. Once a disc bulges, it can compress nerves or the spinal cord. In your specific case, I suspect the spinal disc was already weak before your fall, and the fall injured it, causing it to bulge or protrude. You can watch this short video of disc bugle:

      https://youtube.com/shorts/2OjswaGbF30?feature=share

      Chiropractic care can help with the symptoms of a disc bulge. However, chiropractic treatment is insufficient to repair or restore bulging discs. In short, chiropractic care can help, but the best and most effective non-surgical treatment for a disc bulge is NSD Therapy®. NSD Therapy® is a combination of must be a non-rotatory method of chiropractic treatment that is specific for spinal disc bulges. You must combine your chiropractic session with disc bugle-specific physiotherapy and therapies provided with chiropractic, physiotherapy, and rehabilitation through manual and specialized therapeutic devices.

      https://www.slip-disc.com/disc-bulge/

      Over the last 15 years, we have helped thousands of disc bugle patients recover without surgery. I hope this helps, do contact us on 03 2093 1000 or Whatsapp us at +(60)17 269 1873 for more information.

  8. Donna Caillet

    I have had herniated discs in L4 and L5 since 1986, and the pain was relieved with pain pills and occasionally seeing a chiropractor. On July 1st, I saw my Chiropractor of 12 years for an adjustment because of slight numbness in my right fingertips. After one adjustment, I could barely walk and was in pain, so on the 12th, I went again, but he refused to treat me and took me off his patient list.

    I went to another Chiropractor, hoping she could undo what he had done. After three adjustments, the pain in my hip., shin and groin area were unbearable, and I could only walk with a Walker. She also refused to treat me, so I went to a neurosurgeon, and he ordered a new MRI and injection in my spine. I had never had trouble with L2 and L3 before. The injection did not help, and I now have an appointment with a surgeon as I cannot deal with the pain. Do you have a suggestion or opinion of why the Chiropractor caused me to be like this and why can’t it be undone?

    1. Dr. Yama Zafer, D.C.

      Dear Donna,

      A herniated and a bulging disc is a progressive disorder. With that in mind, your condition may have progressed over the years, becoming either moderate or severe. Mild disc bulges do respond well to conventional chiropractic treatment methods. How ver, middle, and severe disc herniation need specific forms of chiropractic combined with physiotherapy (physical therapy) and spinal decompression therapy. In short, you may have gone to the wrong chiropractors to treat a herniated disc.

      A chiropractic adjustment or treatment can be undone, but it requires expertise and specialized skillsets that most may not be familiar with. Your case is a bit more complicated as it involves spinal discs. Your primary issue is the disc and not alignment. The chiros you visited approached your condition primarily as a misalignment issue and provided you with an aggressive chiropractic manipulation, which may have aggravated the disc. You can still recover without surgery, but you need a highly experienced doctor of chiropractic who treats moderate and severe spinal disc issues collaboratively with physical therapies and uses therapy devices such as the RxDecom®, advanced spinal decompression therapy, high-intensity laser therapy, and cryotherapy by QMD. Anything short of this may not help!

      If your chiropractor treated your spine with a rotatory method with “a side-posture adjustment” (often provided by Gonstead and Diversified chiropractors), it might have inflamed your spinal joint and disc if the treatment was forceful.

      A herniated disc requires specialized chiropractic methods without twisting the spine. You may have been treated by the Gonstead or the Diversified techniques of chiropractic, which are decent but unsuitable for patients with bulging or herniated discs. Moreover, chiropractic adjustment or physical therapy (physiotherapy treatment as a standalone are not enough to get patients over herniated discs. It would have been best to have gone to an Activator chiropractor. Also, both of your chiropractors should have sent you an updated MRI.

      Our chiropractic and physiotherapy center in Kuala Lumpur treats herniated and bulging discs with non-rotatory methods combined with physical and spinal decompression therapy. In addition to physiotherapy and spinal decompression therapy, we provide patients like you with the treatment provided by high-intensity laser therapy and other therapeutic devices.

      To conclude, you either need to visit our center. If you live near us, we can help. If you don’t live near one of our centers, I would recommend an integrative treatment center specializing in the non-surgical treatment of disc herniation through the combined efforts of chiropractors and physical therapy. Our center has treated over 20,000 patients, most of whom had moderate or severe disc herniations (larger slipped discs).

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